WelshDevilRob Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 All sport faces accusations of fixing and foul play. Boxing has a history of being associated with dodgy characters outside the ring. In the latest Ringnews24 Boxing Radio Show, former WBA Heavyweight champion Tim Witherspoon claimed he took a dive in the World title fight with James "Bonecrusher" Smith. The Interview with Tim Witherpoon here, a must listen. Interview also on Ringnews24: Ringnews24 Boxing Radio – Episode Eleven, 05 February 2016 - - Boxing News - Ring News24 My questions are do you believe Tim Witherspoon's claim, and what other fights do you believe that a fighter deliberately took a dive and why they did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Of course it does. Someone told me about brown envelopes he saw swapping hands in boxing gyms, now he is a BBBofC official. The late Dave Allen told me that his Australian friend who was a judge was offered bribes regularly. Tim Witherspoon's claim - this would make an interesting article @Anthony George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selij Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Seldon vs Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? --- Go look at fight footage. Bone bum rushes him, hurting him early. Spoon is launching big bombs, not a dive. Maybe he thought about it, but when Bone landed flush, he fought back. He's embarrassed, a natural reaction, so ok, time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luizbr Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? It does exist. Unfortunately, there aren't many sports without these corrupt actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Some is blatantly obvious like Jorge Kahwagi (12-0, 12 KOs) Here is his last fight (note the muscle implants) Also, there was a Heavyweight Ray Edwards (10-0-1, 6 KOs), think he was a former NFL player. His opponent took an obvious dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Bonecrusher vs Witherspoon II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahygpJc-_Ek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynne.buckley Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Without a doubt, so much money involved in sports betting. The circumstances for throwing a fight maybe not as easy to get right as in cricket and footy but easy to take a count in any round and ultimately not get up. I think probably easier to spot in boxing?? Wouldn't say more prolific than in cricket etc as so many betting options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darran22 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Bonecrusher vs Witherspoon II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahygpJc-_Ek Witherspoon decided to really put on the chunk for this abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagobs Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? There aren't any one versus one sports without foul play like taking a dive. No matter how depressing it is, it exists in boxing as well. Luckily you can enjoy many fights without experiencing it, in contrast to certain other sports (cough cough WWE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxen Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Witherspoon decided to really put on the chunk for this abortion. Smith looked supremely confident before the bell and during ref instructions he looked mean but Witherspoon didn't look in as good shape and not with his game face. I think Smith put on a career performance but Witherspoon is still a good champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? I love Tim, met him in Birmingham U.K, and was always a fan, but he definitely did not take a dive in his loss to Smith. I will tell you why I say that. If you watch the fight again, you will notice that he actually knocks Smith down, but for some reason ( I think I know what that reason was) it was not called a knockdown. He wouldn't have punched hard enough to floor Smith, if he was intending to take a dive, plus he would have gone down himself much easier, if he wanted to lose. He was having managerial problems, just like everyone seems to have, with Don King, specially since Don also got Carl King involved. Therefore his mind was not on his game, but he did not lose intentionally, because, it lost him a big opportunity for a big pay day against Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Bolonti's performance in the Pascal bout was certainly Oscar-worthy: Edited February 22, 2016 by Cableaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One more round Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Some is blatantly obvious like Jorge Kahwagi (12-0, 12 KOs) Here is his last fight (note the muscle implants) Indeed, what a pathetic display, both the "fight" and his whole "career". Sadly all sports have these bad elements. Where there is money to be gained corruption will flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxingforlife Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? There is no way to prove if someone is feigning a knockout. The popular Mayweather vs PAC-man match-up last year is speculated to be a case of match fixing as well. It didn't look like Mayweather won a genuine decision from referees. Even Pacquiao claimed he couldn't believe the scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? --- Well, according to the released score summation, PAC was in the winning corner by color...only in boxing do we get this sheer level contradictions. They couldnt run a bake sale for charity without short changing half the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Some is blatantly obvious like Jorge Kahwagi (12-0, 12 KOs) Here is his last fight (note the muscle implants) Also, there was a Heavyweight Ray Edwards (10-0-1, 6 KOs), think he was a former NFL player. His opponent took an obvious dive. What the actual fuck is this!? :laugh: The guy doesn't even look human! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? I said the same thing on facebook, as I will say now. At 53, I will fight this guy for free, this is 100% the truth. Anyone from his team want to contact me, Andy Foster on facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Here's a good one, I guess the wind from the punch took him down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? Here's a good one, I guess the wind from the punch took him down I love seeing these ridiculous clips, but want to point out that there is taking a dive, which would entail someone throwing the fight due to payment received, and there is bottling it, which is going down as you want paying for taking part in a boxing match, but do not want the pain that goes with the inevitable loss. Hard to know which one we are ever seeing though. La motta took a dive against Billy Fox, as did Mickey Rourkes last opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeli3000 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? of course remember boxing came from the mob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? of course remember boxing came from the mob! Boxing was around way before the mob. They were even boxing in ancient Crete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? This one was better than a 2 1/2 backwards duck off the 100 meter board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNYzh12C8ek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One more round Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? This one was better than a 2 1/2 backwards duck off the 100 meter board: He must have had his brain in his shoulder :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Re: Does "taking a Dive" exist in boxing? This one was better than a 2 1/2 backwards duck off the 100 meter board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNYzh12C8ek Great video, but very hard to know if he was paid to take a dive, or was just a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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